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RAF Cosford Ride-Out Sunday 11th April 2002

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3:23 pm
April 12, 2010


admin

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Having been on, and conducted a fair few ride-outs, I found this weekend’s turn out by PMC club members impressive. Was it the weather? Was it because it was the first ride-out of the season? Was it the destination? Whatever – 32 riders turned up to ride to RAF Cosford in Shropshire. As far as I know we have never had so many people attend a ride (the next largest was a visit to the Southport Airshow).

 When these numbers of riders are together, the logistics of keeping the group as one are almost impossible to achieve. As far as I am concerned, getting over 40 miles into the trip to the first stop without losing anyone was a minor miracle.

 The ride-out system expounded by both the ride-leaders and the club committee works. Absolutely. No question. But people have to understand the intricacies and subtleties of the instruction set – and have a reasonable idea of where they are going (which is why, usually, everyone gets given a route on paper at the start of a longish ride).

 What it boils down to is this: If a junction or roundabout is NOT marked then it’s straight across, if a rider marks it then follow their directions. As another poster said “simples!” (But I mean it).

 So what went wrong? How did 30 riders lose the leader less than 15 minutes away from the destination?

Only one of three things can have happened: a) a motorcyclist not part of our ride-out (from another bunch or club) was, by coincidence, marking a junction and once a couple of PMC riders turned off, the rest followed; b) a PMC rider thought they saw the ride-out leader take a turn at the roundabout where it all went wrong and followed; or c) a rider just took the wrong turn.

A) Is a genuine error that no one can account for. B) The junction would have been marked by a rider if the leader was deviating from going straight across(remember the guidelines) and c) the ride-out guidelines state, “ if a junction or roundabout is not marked then assume it’s “straight across”.

 What about Hi-Vis – wasn’t the leader wearing it and shouldn’t he/she be easy to pick out?

Your joking of course, every one and his dog is now wearing hi-vis (a sensible thing to do I may add). With so many people in hi-vis it‘s not practical to use that as a guide as to whom to follow.

 It’s a pity really, as the roundabout where it all went wrong had a huge signpost indicating the direction to “RAF Museum”.

 

Okay, we had radios at the front and back, why didn’t they come to our rescue.

The PMR446 radios used (the only ones allowed legally) have a limited range dependent on weather, topography and a whole host of other factors (don’t believe the 2 or 3 miles you see in the ads). With 32 riders the “string” can get inordinately long. As only the leader and back marker had radios, occasionally communication was impossible.

Other general factors impacting on the ride included the numbers of other bikes out and about. Sometimes it was difficult to figure out who was actually with our group and who was not - there were that many people out on bikes (suppose everyone with a bike had a bit of spring fever).

 All in all I thought the ride-out was a reasonable success, with Cosford being a cracking destination.

If members have any ideas on how to improve ride-outs (everything can be improved) to the benefit of everyone then the club is more than willing to listen to suggestions of a practical nature.

also posted in general chit chat “new ride out rules” topic

8:38 pm
April 12, 2010


davep600

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Unfortunately it was option A that happened.

Perhaps the route could be posted on the forum for seven days prior to the ride out so people can look at/print out a 'multi-map' guide to familiarise themselves with the route. Two minutes to memorise the route  before leaving on sunday morning may lead to people following the rider in front blindly.

It was great such a large group turned out, and having a couple of people in the middle who know the route might have helped avoid the detourWink

I will be carrying gaffa tape again on the next ride out, but hopefully it won't be needed.

I enjoyed sunday despite all the mis-haps, the journey isn't just about getting where you're going!

9:48 am
April 13, 2010


maccmanx

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The problem on Sunday was caused by the large number of people that turned up on the ride out  and by the perosn who mistakenly marked a left turn when the route was staight on.  Apart from that we only had one unplanned stop, caused by a crash and everybody got to where we were heading for and all seemed to enjoy the day out.  So I would say WELL DONE PAUL!  A group of 32 is TOO large to lead and cannot be expected to stay together.  It would be better to split such a large goup in future and have two leaders, who know the way even if that means that the planned “tail end Charlie” and leader split and are no longer in radio contact as they ended up for most of Sunday.

David G

11:47 am
April 13, 2010


needabiggerbike

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Just needed to say thankyou to everyone who was concerned for my health on Sunday and helped pull the bike straight enough to ride.  Thanks Gaffer man. 

On the ride generally, I really enjoyed it and am planning a longer day out there through the summer. 

To add to Dave G's comments, maybe such a big group should have been split into three or four, (set Max of 10 riders per group) each with a leader and tail end, also why not use orange hi viz for those designated. 

PS. Anyone got any Fazer fairings for sale….or more gaffer tape ?

Regards Bill

8:41 am
April 16, 2010


Steve158

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regarding the radio contact range (and not knowing anything about them !) if there was a 3rd radio in the middle of the pack, would this allow a greater range between the front and rear riders, if this would be the case, then Sundays riders who took wrong turns could have perhaps been called back to regroup.

just a thought 


Steve H

8:29 pm
April 16, 2010


Rob D

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Good point Steve and a nice idea. However, the radios in use were Paul and Stef's personal radios. PMC don't issue radios for the ridouts. Perhaps it may be an idea to see what other members think about the club possibly purchasing radios for the purpose of ride-outs.

I'd certainly be in favour of it, especially after Bill's incident meant me busting a gut to catch Paul so that he didn't get too far away.

Rob D.

PS.  For those who weren't aware, I agreed with Paul and Stef as we set off that I floated in the middle of the pack just in case of incidents.

3:05 pm
May 4, 2010


Paul Curran

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Thanks to everyone who turned up for the ride-out and to those who have taken the trouble to put a post on here and/or make a suggestion. In particular thanks to Stef for backmarking and Rob for troubleshooting in the middle of the pack. 

My apologies for losing everyone just minutes away from the destination and my apologies go especially to those who didn’t manage to get there at all. The good thing is that apparently I can claim to have set a new club record – no ride leader has ever before lost absolutely everyone on a ride-out. I lost all 31. I knew I was good but I didn’t know I was that good. 

There’s loads of discussion going on about ways that we can improve the ride-outs to reduce the risk of losing people so hopefully we’ll come up with something. I’ve suggested the simplest solution would be to make sure I don’t lead any more ride-outs. 

TTFN

PC

2:49 pm
May 6, 2010


Grimm

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Paul


Ive got a brilliant idea to stop us losing riders on our rideouts….lets all go by coach!  You could still use you radios from the front to the back seat. God Im Clevur 


Grimm

4:45 pm
May 6, 2010


admin

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If we go by coach, can we still wear hi-viz?

6:12 pm
May 6, 2010


Robot

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Only black.

1:32 pm
May 10, 2010


Grimm

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Maybe we should get some Orange / Yellow jackets for summer and black ones for when its snowing!

Apparently the camouflage ones are for use in the desert - lets face it….a thousand square miles of nothing but sand and your dressed like a tree, your going to stand out.

Grimm


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