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PMC Ride-Out Sunday 8th May 2011 to Lake Vyrnwy

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1:33 pm
May 4, 2011


Rob D

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posts 135

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Ow Dooo!


This month's Ride-Out will be led by Mr Mike Maloney of Peak Rider fame, and is destined for Lake Vyrnwy (or as the Taffies call it, Llyn Efymwy) in mid-Wales, just over the hill from Bala. 

As usual for a Sunday, the Ride-Out will be leaving from the car park at the rear of the Workies at 10.00. Please be there in good time and with a full tank of fuel.

Unfortunately there is still a problem with the Ride-Out Registration phone number, (which should be rectified very soon), so you will not be able to ring and let us know that you'll be turning up. Therefore it is in your interest to be there before 10.00.

If you want to preview the route the Ride-Out will be taking click the link below;

http://tinyurl.com/6xt78jl

If you want to import the route to your TomTom or Garmin Sat-Nav please e-mail;

rideoutcoordinator@poyntonmotorcycleclub.co.uk 

(or just copy the link and paste it into your address bar), and I'll send it onto you. Should you need instructions on how to import the route to your Sat-Nav, click this link;

http://tinyurl.com/29zgkxf

Unfortunately, on the previous two Club Ride-Outs there appeared to be some confusion over the marking of junctions, resulting in members being separated from the group and left to make their own way home. Not only can this detract from their enjoyment of the day, but leaves them vulnerable if anything untoward, such as a breakdown or puncture occurs, or particularly worse, if they have no sense of direction.

We are a club and ride as a club, so here is an explanation of how the Junction Marking System works;

Before the ride begins the Ride-Out Leader seeks a volunteer to stay at the back of the pack, commonly referred to as “Tail -End Charlie”! Everyone should make themselves familiar with Tail-End Charlie and note what bike they are riding.

As the Ride-Out Leader negotiates a junction or exits a roundabout they point to indicate that the junction/exit requires marking. The person directly behind them stops IN A SAFE, VISIBLE POSITION, AT THEIR OWN DISCRETION, to indicate to the rest of the group which direction/exit to take. 

AT NO POINT DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE TO STOP!

As Tail-End Charlie approaches the junction he acknowledges the junction marker, who can then set off and rejoin the main pack, allowing Tail-End Charlie to resume last position.

At the next awkward junction, the process is repeated all over again.

Even if the Ride-Out Leader hasn’t indicated that a junction needs marking and you deem it to be an awkward junction, whether you are second in line or not, there is nothing to stop you marking that junction, as long as you are aware who Tail End Charlie is.

A basic and simplistic rule of thumb – if you don’t want to mark junctions, don’t turn up for the Ride-Out. 

So! Hopefully everything will run smoothly on Sunday.

I'll see you there and enjoy your ride.

Rob D.


8:04 pm
May 10, 2011


tony the pony

Member

poynton

posts 25

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Hi Rob

Just read your article and i feel that telling members if they dont want to mark junctions then dont turn contradicts everything the bike club stood for. I joined the club 10 years ago when all ride outs were open to all members, if you have an inexperienced rider then marking junctions can be daunting as you are then at the back of the riding pack ,should you miss the lights then your playing catch up with the rest of the pack. When i joined the club i was a learner and the ride outs were a great way of learning skills and watching others. Are these ride outs more about a select few of experienced mates going for a ride and excluding others as thats how it looks. I very rarely go on the rideouts so i cant comment on whats gone on in previous rides but to exclude payed up members seems way over the top.


Tony.

8:50 am
May 11, 2011


Gary Robinson

Member

posts 39

3

I think the pair of you have valid points, experienced riders should be expected to mark junctions (unless they have a note from their mum).

However if a newbie feels uncertain of doing this then there is no reason they can't be leapfrogged if they get to near to the front. As long as everyone is made aware they don't want to mark junctions at the start of the run.

Something I spotted on the miss the wedding run was that at times junctions weren't brilliantly marked, bit round the corner partly behind a wall type of thing. Trouble is you you don't know what the junctions like until you get to it. If the third or fourth man spots this then pull in a bit before the junction to double mark. (as long as it's safe to do so of course) or would that confuse things further?

Gary.

10:20 am
May 11, 2011


Rob D

Member

posts 135

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I don't see any harm in double marking a junction, particularly if the first marker is a bit obscured. The idea behind the whole system is to keep the ride flowing and together. I'd rather see someone use their nouse and double mark a junction than just let everyone else get on with it. I've also no qualms about newbies or learners not marking junctions due to their inexperience, but I feel that giving the option of not having to stop to “experienced” members will not only result in certain members taking advantage of the others but eventually lead to a core of dedicated markers which, I think, over time will dwindle until nobody marks the junction and chaos ensues.

Getting lost or left behind due to non marking of junctions not only ruins the day for the person(s) involved but puts the Ride-Out Leader in an awkward position and makes them feel bad. Just ask Paul Curran. He jokes about it now, but if you'd seen him on the day, you'll know what I mean. I've also lost riders while leading and believe me it makes you feel guilty, and even to the point of feeling inadequate and incompetent, despite it not being your fault. 

As far as people getting caught at traffic lights/roundabouts and having to play catch-up, that happens anyway. And that's the reason why junctions should be marked in the first place!

But, there should be no danger of them being left behind as

a) you have Tail-End Charlie to scoop up the markers,

b) the marker, (if they've bothered), at the next junction should be waiting for them, and

c) the Leader should soon be aware that there's nobody, or very few of the pack, behind them and slow down or even stop to wait for the rest to catch up. 

If people can't be bothered to look out for their fellow Club members on a Ride-Out, then personally I think that not only are they being selfish, but shouldn't be allowed to join the Ride-Outs. And that's why I wrote what I did in the original post.

I don't undertake the role of Ride-Out Coordinator and do the things I do for a power trip or a popularity contest, I do them in the interests of the Club and it's members and at no time do I want to see anyone excluded from any event, as long as they're prepared to consider their fellow members.l 

Rob D.



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